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    Pky6471

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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Pky6471 on Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:54 pm

    steel shafted....? no way for me... ne pas... jamais.... impossible
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Mongrel on Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:35 pm

    Whatever keeps me from going left off the tee. If its steel, so be it. The experiment was pretty cheap. About twenty bucks each for the two shafts. Two discontinued Avon Pro D2 grips for a buck fifty each. Two ferrules and one bore-through pin for the 905R.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Mongrel on Sat Oct 04, 2014 4:32 pm

    OK, I played what ma y be my last round of the year earlier today. I won the event beating out 15 other mopes on a course I hate and never played well on. This is the first round I played since August 31 and have not hit irons off turf since then. The bag was different today. I bagged my 905R 9.5* with True Temper TX 90 stiff steel shaft. I did not hit that club into trouble on any hole today. This is the first round this has happened in my memory of rounds going back for years. No mis-hits. No pop-ups, no grounders, no dead pulls, no blocked right marshmallows. And the wind was blowing pretty good. Now I missed some fairways but on those occasions, was only a couple of feet in the rough.

    The other new stick was the putter. I only three putted one hole and had about six one-putts. The putter is a Ping My Day that based on everything I could find on the internet, was made around 1973. Since it is heel and toe weighted, I also had to change my putting stroke. This distance control with this putter was almost intuitive.

    What makes it funny to me that I won is the fact that I could not hit a pitching wedge or 9 iron off the fairways to save my life. This is probably a result of not hitting them at all for a month. If I had hit them normally, I would have probably been 5-8 strokes lower and whose handicap needs that, eh?

    This teel shaft in driver was an experiment today and a good one since the course is tight and one that I usually hit driver out of play on three to tfive holes every round prior to today. Now I don't hat the course. The distance I was getting with the club was about the same as with my gamer graphite shafted 909 DComp. I don't see taking the steel driver out of the bag in the foreseeable future.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Pky6471 on Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:47 pm

    Mongrel wrote:OK, I played what ma y be my last round of the year earlier today. I won the event beating out 15 other mopes on a course I hate and never played well on. This is the first round I played since August 31 and have not hit irons off turf since then. The bag was different today. I bagged my 905R 9.5* with True Temper TX 90 stiff steel shaft. I did not hit that club into trouble on any hole today. This is the first round this has happened in my memory of rounds going back for years. No mis-hits. No pop-ups, no grounders, no dead pulls, no blocked right marshmallows. And the wind was blowing pretty good. Now I missed some fairways but on those occasions, was only a couple of feet in the rough.

    The other new stick was the putter. I only three putted one hole and had about six one-putts. The putter is a Ping My Day that based on everything I could find on the internet, was made around 1973. Since it is heel and toe weighted, I also had to change my putting stroke. This distance control with this putter was almost intuitive.

    What makes it funny to me that I won is the fact that I could not hit a pitching wedge or 9 iron off the fairways to save my life. This is probably a result of not hitting them at all for a month. If I had hit them normally, I would have probably been 5-8 strokes lower and whose handicap needs that, eh?

    This teel shaft in driver was an experiment today and a good one since the course is tight and one that I usually hit driver out of play on three to tfive holes every round prior to today. Now I don't hat the course. The distance I was getting with the club was about the same as with my gamer graphite shafted 909 DComp. I don't see taking the steel driver out of the bag in the foreseeable future.

    Great job... stay with what works
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Horseballs on Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:57 am

    So, I've gone all year without changing a single club in the bag. The end of last year, I did get a new putter and 3 new wedges, but my old wedges were a few years old. Only the 60 was in bad shape, but I found a good deal on set of 3 wedges.

    I did attempt to replace a 3 wood and driver, mostly to make a full backup set I'd be happy with. The replacements didn't make the cut, and tbh I don't like them at all.

    The good backup set still intrigues me, but I really have no options off the tee. The Ping I25 is very low spin, and it turns out I don't like that, despite what marketing and Trackman would have me believe. I'm also convinced that there are no 3 woods made in the past 10 years that I like.

    I've come to the conclusion that I like my drivers to be very forgiving and higher spin. I don't even mind the draw bias as long as it's accomplished using weighting not face angle or offset. I like the feeling of holding off the release for a straight ball, and releasing for a draw. I can't stand the look of a tee ball moving right. The issue with those drivers is the shaft is usually low kick, lightweight and weak to stated flex.

    I'm thinking about trying out a G25 and reshafting with something I know I like. I also have a spare Cally GBB2 3 wood with a busted shaft sitting in my locker. I can reshaft that with a YS7 cheaply. If I do that, I figure I've got 2 bags that are pretty interchangeable. The goal has been to leave the spare set in south Florida at either my brother's house or my parents' house. They are in Ft. Lauderdale and Naples respectively. I hate traveling with clubs when I'm only going to play maybe once, but I hate rental clubs even more.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Lorenzzo on Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:23 am

    Sounds like perhaps lessons are in order…
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Horseballs on Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:19 pm

    Lorenzzo wrote:Sounds like perhaps lessons are in order…
    No chance in that happening. I don't do things half way, and the only way I'd take lessons is if I was willing to totally overhaul my swing. I don't envision coming across a bunch of extra free time, plus I am not a very devoted practicer when it comes to golf.

    I've played less this year than most years in the past decade and I have managed to stay just about the same. The last time I had fewer rounds was in 2011 and I blew up about 4 index points. Pretty happy with the way things are going.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Lorenzzo on Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:07 pm

    Horseballs wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:Sounds like perhaps lessons are in order…
    No chance in that happening.  I don't do things half way, and the only way I'd take lessons is if I was willing to totally overhaul my swing.  I don't envision coming across a bunch of extra free time, plus I am not a very devoted practicer when it comes to golf.  

    I've played less this year than most years in the past decade and I have managed to stay just about the same.  The last time I had fewer rounds was in 2011 and I blew up about 4 index points.  Pretty happy with the way things are going.  
    I was just pulling from the old days on that other site.

    That said, if you go skiing I do suggest it. With the right instructor and at an appropriate level there are often big returns in little time. I'll be getting lessons this winter from some top dogs but it will mean having to study up on things like edge vs. platform angle, inclination and other concepts that involve the physics of skiing. I'm actually psyched.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Mongrel on Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:15 pm

    Back in '66, we drove from our college down to a slope that had night skiing. I think it was called Greek Peak. In the Catskills. One of my friends with us was a nice Jewish boy from the Bronx who had never been on skates or skis since he had polio as a boy and had a badly deformed left leg walking with a pronounced limp. But he was a gamer and played basketball and wanted to give it a try. So we got him buzzed on pot and red wine and by the end of the night, he could go to the top with me and perform snowplow turns and stops. It was the only time we went If there was a second trip, I bet I could have had him doing decent stem turns.

    When I was 14, my father started taking me to a mountain above Scranton that he had bought into with a local who was his buddy. They signed on an Austrian who had been on the pro racing circuit in Europe to be the head of the ski school. My father and I took lessons from him that consisted of accompanying him to the top of the mountain and following him down to the lift entrance and repeating until exhaustion. Few words were spoken. Much was learned.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Horseballs on Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:20 pm

    Lorenzzo wrote:
    Horseballs wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:Sounds like perhaps lessons are in order…
    No chance in that happening.  I don't do things half way, and the only way I'd take lessons is if I was willing to totally overhaul my swing.  I don't envision coming across a bunch of extra free time, plus I am not a very devoted practicer when it comes to golf.  

    I've played less this year than most years in the past decade and I have managed to stay just about the same.  The last time I had fewer rounds was in 2011 and I blew up about 4 index points.  Pretty happy with the way things are going.  
    I was just pulling from the old days on that other site.

    That said, if you go skiing I do suggest it. With the right instructor and at an appropriate level there are often big returns in little time. I'll be getting lessons this winter from some top dogs but it will mean having to study up on things like edge vs. platform angle, inclination and other concepts that involve the physics of skiing. I'm actually psyched.

    I knew what you were up to. I still do like to talk about golf and will even let the obvious sarcastic barb roll off my back in order to get some dialogue. Guess that didn't work.

    I have not been to a proper ski resort in about 8 years. I'm sure I will eventually ski again at some point, but I'm afraid I will have lost my balls.

    Sounds like you're going to the Pingman school of skiing.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Mongrel on Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:20 pm

    I got a new (for me) set of used irons Saturday. I think I've joined the Adams family. They are Idea Pro Black CB2's from 3 iron to the gap wedge with the stock KBS Tour 90 shafts in stiff flex. They are about one quarter inch over spec length. I hit each iron several times off the mat in the shop where I bought them but there was no monitor installed and I had no idea how far they were going and all those other parameters. I had to look at the identations each ball made on the tarp behind the hit to get an idea of direction. So yesterday I took them to an outdoor range and hit them off the rock hard worn out rubber mats. Through the set, I only missed two 3 irons and those I was trying to hit low hooks with into a 30 mph wind. I have never hit such good feeling irons including any Mizunos or Titleists or any other forged or cast clubs I have owned or tried out. I also hit these very high which must be the shafts. Tomorrow I will go out and hit them off the grass and see what is what.
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    Post  mtz4life on Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:31 pm

    Hi group....I'm new.....and i'm a club Ho'ing.....

    My sets: Mizuno T-zoid pro II with x100; Mizuno custom T-zoid pro II black heads with black KBS tours and black Winn wraps; Minzuno MP60 with KBS tour; Cleveland TA2 with TT S300; KZG II with TT sensicore custom lites; Wilson staff progressive combo's (unsure of the year but with small heads) with original? firestick 2.8 stiff shafts; Cobra TRD with S300; AND 5-PW Nakashima NP-2 heads.

    My past sets: '81ish Titleist blades; Titleist 690mb; Cleveland TA1's, Magregger 1025cb; Snake Eyes TC01.

    I'm still looking for THE set.  I'm told its unattainable....just like the perfect round.  I'm ALWAYS slumming on Ebay. I eternally hope to find any sets that interest me for under $200. I'm apprehensive about buying anything relatively recent for fear of fakes, but it doesn't stop me from browsing.  I want to find THE set so I can get rid of all the other sets.  I don't have room for them, and yet I continue to look for more.  

    Do I need help?  Will this Ho'ing end if the perfect (or near perfect) set is obtained?
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Horseballs on Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:32 pm

    mtz4life wrote:Hi group....I'm new.....and i'm a club Ho'ing.....

    My sets: Mizuno T-zoid pro II with x100; Mizuno custom T-zoid pro II black heads with black KBS tours and black Winn wraps; Minzuno MP60 with KBS tour; Cleveland TA2 with TT S300; KZG II with TT sensicore custom lites; Wilson staff progressive combo's (unsure of the year but with small heads) with original? firestick 2.8 stiff shafts; Cobra TRD with S300; AND 5-PW Nakashima NP-2 heads.

    My past sets: '81ish Titleist blades; Titleist 690mb; Cleveland TA1's, Magregger 1025cb; Snake Eyes TC01.

    I'm still looking for THE set.  I'm told its unattainable....just like the perfect round.  I'm ALWAYS slumming on Ebay. I eternally hope to find any sets that interest me for under $200. I'm apprehensive about buying anything relatively recent for fear of fakes, but it doesn't stop me from browsing.  I want to find THE set so I can get rid of all the other sets.  I don't have room for them, and yet I continue to look for more.  

    Do I need help?  Will this Ho'ing end if the perfect (or near perfect) set is obtained?
    The perfect set of irons is like the perfect set of tits. You see them under clothes and think the are the perfect size and perkiness. So you pursue them. When the bra comes off, maybe they droop, maybe there are stretch marks, maybe the nipples are weird, maybe there are surgery scars. Then again, maybe they are truly perfect, but you start to nitpick. There might be a freckle on the left one you aren't crazy about, or the tan line makes a strange pattern. So you get rid of those titties and pursue another set. Eventually, you remember that old set that was nearly perfect and long to squeeze them again. But, old golf clubs and titties and always better in your memories.
    My advice; find a set you like and motorboat the shit out of them for multiple seasons. Familiarity brings fondness, unless you are talking about titties with the chewed eraser-looking nipples.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Mongrel on Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:17 pm

    A set of irons is a lot cheaper than a woman. Even if they are older blades, you can send them away and get them re=grooved and re-chromed for around four hundred bucks. New shafts and grips maybe another four hundred bucks. Then you've got yourself a basically new set of the irons you've played so well with throughout the years. Now take that eight hundred bucks and try to have a rejuvenating weekend with the old lady. A couple of hits ov Viagra, a baggie of killer pot, a baggie of 90% Peruvian flake, some champaigne and a nice dinner and you blew it all.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  mtz4life on Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:16 am

    tru nuff 'balls.  I must say I've had much better luck with tits than with clubs!  Played many more perfect rounds with them also!  The memories..... What a Face

    I just added another 8 sets to my ebay watchlist......and i just watched my (hard to find) favorite pair of tits online.....maybe that's an omen to getting that perfect set in my hands finally.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  jt1135 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:19 pm

    Well, nothing to do know for at least 5-6 months. Have a second set of px 5.5's just asking for some heads. The parameters of this winters odyssey, no Taylormade or Callaway shit, forged, cavity back and not sgi but not blades either. Considering Mizuno 825's but don't like the cavities, to busy. Possibly another set of srixons or some bridgestones. Used to have Mizuno 57's, which on reflection I should have kept but at the time my game sucked. Got the handicap down under 13 bit its because my short game sucks that its not lower. The 701's are working fine just need something to do to keep myself halfway busy this winter. Any suggestions.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Lorenzzo on Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:20 pm

    Horseballs wrote:
    mtz4life wrote:Hi group....I'm new.....and i'm a club Ho'ing.....

    My sets: Mizuno T-zoid pro II with x100; Mizuno custom T-zoid pro II black heads with black KBS tours and black Winn wraps; Minzuno MP60 with KBS tour; Cleveland TA2 with TT S300; KZG II with TT sensicore custom lites; Wilson staff progressive combo's (unsure of the year but with small heads) with original? firestick 2.8 stiff shafts; Cobra TRD with S300; AND 5-PW Nakashima NP-2 heads.

    My past sets: '81ish Titleist blades; Titleist 690mb; Cleveland TA1's, Magregger 1025cb; Snake Eyes TC01.

    I'm still looking for THE set.  I'm told its unattainable....just like the perfect round.  I'm ALWAYS slumming on Ebay. I eternally hope to find any sets that interest me for under $200. I'm apprehensive about buying anything relatively recent for fear of fakes, but it doesn't stop me from browsing.  I want to find THE set so I can get rid of all the other sets.  I don't have room for them, and yet I continue to look for more.  

    Do I need help?  Will this Ho'ing end if the perfect (or near perfect) set is obtained?
    The perfect set of irons is like the perfect set of tits.  You see them under clothes and think the are the perfect size and perkiness.  So you pursue them.  When the bra comes off, maybe they droop, maybe there are stretch marks, maybe the nipples are weird, maybe there are surgery scars.  Then again, maybe they are truly perfect, but you start to nitpick.  There might be a freckle on the left one you aren't crazy about, or the tan line makes a strange pattern.  So you get rid of those titties and pursue another set.  Eventually, you remember that old set that was nearly perfect and long to squeeze them again.  But, old golf clubs and titties and always better in your memories.  
    My advice; find a set you like and motorboat the shit out of them for multiple seasons.  Familiarity brings fondness, unless you are talking about titties with the chewed eraser-looking nipples.  

    Not sure how I have been missing the activity on this thread… Oh well.  There is definite truth in what you are saying. There are those you can cherish and love long term in fact I feel I have found those several times. I consider that to be one of the greatest accomplishments of my life.  Even in my 50s now I'm with one who is younger and rocking those that smoke.

    But let's face it it doesn't matter that much. The bane of maleness is familiarity no matter what or how. True… I don't have to cringe at all about her physicality but it's still the same as last month and the month before that.  It's the other stuff she carries with her that holds the key. I can just spend time with her.  And when she reaches for it and goes into oral mode, which she loves, life is good.

    Gents, if it ever gets too much, come to the land of the Mormon women. There is so much talent and they are so accommodating. I stumbled onto it because of the mountain scene where there really aren't that many Mormons but a short drive away there they are. Start at the Costco. I'm serious about that.

    So yes, pursuing clubs can be a foolish endeavor until we find a set we can live with and be happy.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Mongrel on Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:03 am

    Now that its winter here and golf is over until the buds come out, my attention has turned from perfect clubs to perfect guitar tones. Santa is bringing me a new amplifier and soon I will begin tearing apart two of my guitars and doing pickup swaps and maybe some wiring upgrades. If anyone plays both golf and electric guitar, you know what I mean.
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  jt1135 on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:53 am

    Instead of buying different heads, I'm just going to pull the heads from my hogans and put the px5.5's in them.

    I see Terry Koehler, who owns Eidolon Golf, is going to be making new Hogan clubs that are supposed to come out in 2015. He worked for Hogan while he was still alive and is getting a bunch of the older guys who worked in FT. Worth back together and try to carry on the Hogan name. Will be interesting to see what the irons are gonna look like.
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    Post  FamousDavis on Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:18 pm

    My latest club ho'ing:

    Taylormade R9 TP irons with KBS Tour Reg shafts: Garbage. Even flush shots felt rubbery. Distance was good but ball flight was incredibly high for a player's club. Very disappointing because they looked good, were like new and I got them for $150 for 3-PW. Returned them the next day.

    Cobra AMP Cell irons with Dynalite 90 Stiff shafts: Surprisingly good. Great distance and good ball flight. Lacking in feel and the cavity of each iron is pretty gay looking. NTTAWWT.

    Ping Anser driver. My Ping G5 is better. I've been clobbering my Ping g5 lately. I'm pounding it deep like last night.

    Taylormade Burner Plus irons, 4-PW, GW Uniflex shafts. These actually perform and feel pretty good. They look awkward at address but who cares when you be hittin' it like a mo' fo'! Brotha! Unfortunately I bought a set that is 1/2 inch over standard without knowing it. A great ballstriker like myself can tell immediately when a club is too long.

    That's all for now folks!
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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Horseballs on Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:38 pm

    FamousDavis wrote:My latest club ho'ing:  

    Taylormade R9 TP irons with KBS Tour Reg shafts:  Garbage.  Even flush shots felt rubbery.  Distance was good but ball flight was incredibly high for a player's club.  Very disappointing because they looked good, were like new and I got them for $150 for 3-PW.  Returned them the next day.  

    Cobra AMP Cell irons with Dynalite 90 Stiff shafts:  Surprisingly good.  Great distance and good ball flight.  Lacking in feel and the cavity of each iron is pretty gay looking.  NTTAWWT.  

    Ping Anser driver.  My Ping G5 is better.  I've been clobbering my Ping g5 lately.  I'm pounding it deep like last night.  

    Taylormade Burner Plus irons, 4-PW, GW Uniflex shafts.  These actually perform and feel pretty good.  They look awkward at address but who cares when you be hittin' it like a mo' fo'!  Brotha!  Unfortunately I bought a set that is 1/2 inch over standard without knowing it.  A great ballstriker like myself can tell immediately when a club is too long.  

    That's all for now folks!
    KBS Tours are the worst "pro style" shafts ever created.
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    Post  Kiwigolfer on Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:16 pm

    Fallen off the wagon FD? I'm sorry to hear that. Crying or Very sad

    Don't forget the GR Twelve Step Programme. We are here to help.

    1. We admitted we were powerless over ho'ing - that our ho'ing had become unmanageable.
    2. Came to believe that the power of the GR Forum could restore us to golfing sanity.
    3. Made a decision to turn our golf game over to the care of the Golfing Gods - new clubs are not the answer.
    4. Made a searching and fearless inventory of our golf club collection.
    5. Admitted to GR, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our ho'ings.
    6. Were entirely ready to have GR assist to remove all these defects of character.
    7. Humbly asked GR to identify steps to remove our shortcomings.
    8. Made a list of all persons we had outbid on Ebay and became willing to make amends to them all.
    9. Made direct amends to such ho's wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or other ho's.
    10. Continued to take inventory and when we were asked if we really need six drivers and five sets of irons promptly admitted that we didn't.
    11. Sought through posts, discussion and polls to improve our contact with GR hoping only for knowledge of the forums will for us and the power to carry that out.
    12 Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other ho's and to practice these principles in all our golf equipment purchases.

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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  jt1135 on Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:29 pm

    Had to spend 7 hours in the twin cities (took my uncle for tests to get a new valve put in the ticker) so went to golfsmith. I loaded up some old irons, couple of putters and a driver to do some horse trading and brought my gamer (srixon z star driver) to hit on the simulator.

    Looked on the pga golf trade in site and knew I was going to take an asskicking but don't feel like messing around with ebay so just bit the bullet.

    Hadn't planned on a new driver but hit taylormade, callaway, ping and cobra. Used my srixon as a baseline and ended up with a callaway big bertha. Hit it a little farther but the big plus was the forgiveness and accuracy. Surprised the shit out of me cause I've never been a callaway fan.

    Have to see how it translates to the course which will still be at least 2 1/2 months away.

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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Dixon Cox on Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:07 pm

    Recently bought a new titleist 910fd in 15* and a mft diamana ahina in 82 grams stiff shaft. A low launch shaft I guess. I have recently had some changes in my health, and so my swing speed has slowed. This shaft is just too much for me in stiff, and I doubt I'd like it in regular. I like the Kaili shaft a lot so I'll sell this off.  Hit at range for about ten balls.



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    Re: Club Ho'ing

    Post  Mongrel on Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:43 pm

    I've had a thing with Titleist drivers for years since I got my first 975D several years after they came out and I could find one for a decent price. Since then I've had a bunch and still have most of them. At least the heads. My newest Tits are the 909 series and I have not yet bitten the bullet for one of the adjustable ones. Last summer I went into the local Golf Galaxy and they had several 910 drivers in the used bin. I was about the only customer in the store and took the 10.5* 910 into the big stall with the launch monitor display. The sales guy found me a Tit wrench and I proceeded to hit several balls on each of the settings. I had printed out the Tit matrix for the adjustments at work and brought it with me so that I could do a meaningful test. The club had a 60-some gram stiff Mitsu something or other. It was blue. After a half hour or so I concluded that none of the settings provided any different ball flight or feel. My max distance on the monitor was maybe 220 with an average around 200. Around the same time my gamer was a
    909D Comp with a stiff Mitsu I'lima 61 gram shaft I got as a pull for $15 and installed myself. Cut it to 43.5". I was averaging at least 225 with the DComp with an occasional 250-260. I replaced that with an old 9.5* 905R that I stuck a True Temper TX 90 steel shaft in at 43.5". That steel shafted driver became my go-to and was as long on average as the DComp plus on the tougher driving situations I was straighter and longer, especially into the wind. Its ironic that I've lost a bunch of clubhead speed yet the steel shaft has worked best for me.

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