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    Lorenzo's Excellent DUI Adventure

    Post  Lorenzzo on Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:25 am

    I mentioned in a separate thread I blew a .045… half the legal limit… and got cited for a DUI around eight weeks ago. The cops forgot to give me a required notice resulting in my loss of license for 60 days.

    I have a GF drive me...I ride in the back… I lock the doors… in case I'm attacked… life's been good to me so far.

    Last week I received a letter advising me the license suspension has been extended to 120 days. If I take a course for four hours a week for four weeks I can have the period reduced to 90 days. But fuck it, I have a trip to Hawaii planned during the course so it looks like 120.

    It's okay though, I ride my bike. That works pretty well here. My court date is July 30. Today I found out they lost my blood test. This means they may throw out the charges.

    Nonetheless my license suspension will stand. All of this of course is unconstitutional… Penalties without notice… Lack of right to appeal… Penalties without proof of committing an offense, etc.

    If I challenge it legally I will win. It would take approximately nine months. So of course there is no point.

    No complaints. This summer has been a true adventure.
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    Post  Mongrel on Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:43 am

    It seems to me that this is typical of the disfunction of state-wide traffic judiciall and administrative infrastructure.For every BS case like yours, there are at least 100 illegal aliens with long rap sheets driving in your state with no valid licenses or insurance coverage. And a thousand drivers who drive drunk every day of the year and don't get caught or, because of a "minority class" they belong to, get pled out or PBJ or charges dropped. So the answer is that you should have lawyered up immediately after your arrest. However, its never too late. Utah is a beautiful state but is hampered by the still surviving natives who may be in charge of the Big Picture and who have a history going back generations of their males having sex with farm animals.
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    Post  Horseballs on Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:13 pm

    Zo, looks like you are locked into having a girlfriend for the next 120 days. Hopefully she won't take advantage of the indentured servitude and start making you clean the house, wash the dog, etc. Must be terrible to be cuckolded like that, but I suppose I could understand your situation, or at least be talked into understanding your situation.

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    Post  Lorenzzo on Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:20 pm

    Mongrel wrote:It seems to me that this is typical of the disfunction of state-wide traffic judiciall and administrative infrastructure.For every BS case like yours, there are at least 100 illegal aliens with long rap sheets driving in your state with no valid licenses or insurance coverage. And a thousand drivers who drive drunk every day of the year and don't get caught or, because of a "minority class" they belong to, get pled out or PBJ or charges dropped. So the answer is that you should have lawyered up immediately after your arrest. However, its never too late. Utah is a beautiful state but is hampered by the still surviving natives who may be in charge of the Big Picture and who have a history going back generations of their males having sex with farm animals.

    You're right M, had I loaded up immediately almost all of this could have been avoided. I was hampered by my legal training and knowledge of constitutional law. However, the fact is traffic and routine matters have their own pattern and vibe most of which is technically unconstitutional but nonetheless in practice.

    I can still win on all of this but at a greater cost and passed the time of my penalty. Which is why these unconstitutional consequences survive.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:26 pm

    Horseballs wrote:Zo, looks like you are locked into having a girlfriend for the next 120 days.  Hopefully she won't take advantage of the indentured servitude and start making you clean the house, wash the dog, etc.  Must be terrible to be cuckolded like that, but I suppose I could understand your situation, or at least be talked into understanding your situation.  


    You are a perceptive man, HB. Let's just say however she has a heart of gold and it is very much a symbiotic relationship. My ex even laughed and said if I stick with her for 120 days I might even fall for her and keep going.

    I really should stick with this woman. She is beyond awesome in so many ways. Did I mention she was a reformed Mormon?  

    I cook… She cleans up.  She will go at the drop of a hat. She has no excess weight and does 600 sit ups with weights per session. If I want to bike she follows. Four months and no drama or demands. She shows up on Thursday evening and leaves on Monday morning.

    She thinks I'm perfect…
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    Post  Pky6471 on Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:15 pm

    One of my friends in San Francisco who got caught DUI... when all said and done (legal fees, fine etc...) , it's $10K out of his pocket. Another friend in Atlanta got into same problem , $6K out of his pocket. California needs money  bounce 
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:29 pm

    Pky6471 wrote:One of my friends in San Francisco who got caught DUI... when all said and done (legal fees, fine etc...) , it's $10K out of his pocket.  Another friend in Atlanta got into same problem , $6K out of his pocket.   California needs money  bounce 

    In that regard Utah is a pretty good deal. All costs will not reach $3,000. That said, in those other states I would not have been arrested.
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    Post  jt1135 on Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:28 pm

    Lo, you be fucked. Having had two of the sob's, Big Brother will do everything it can to stick it to you and than snap it off so it hurts.

    Actually got really lucky last Tuesday. Coming home from league night with half a jag on, came over a small rise in the highway and a big container truck had folded up a grand am on the highway. I stopped immediatley and the truck driver was just getting out of the truck and I asked him if I need to call 911. He said call them. As I was calling, I walked over to the car and looked inside. Not a pretty site. The cops arrived about 4 minutes later and took over. The county mounty came over to me and asked some questions. When it was all said and done he told me to get somebody else to drive my pickup home. Sat there for over half an hour about 15 yards away from the accident where my daughters friend was killed. The chopper came in and after a couple of minutes it shut down so I knew, which didn't suprise me.

    I dodged a bullet cause the cops were being halfway decent but it truly was a horrible end to a very good day of golf.

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    Post  Kiwigolfer on Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:39 am

    Can somebody explain how blowing HALF the legal limit gets you 120 days loss of licence? If I blow half the legal limit I expect to walk free. If I'm slightly over the legal limit it's instant fine and six months loss of licence. If I'm twice the legal limit it's 12 months loss of licence and a good lawyer to avoid prison time.

    How does half the legal limit get you in trouble? Are your laws zero alcohol for driving
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    Re: Lorenzo's Excellent DUI Adventure

    Post  Poe4soul on Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:32 am

    Kiwigolfer wrote:Can somebody explain how blowing HALF the legal limit gets you 120 days loss of licence? If I blow half the legal limit I expect to walk free. If I'm slightly over the legal limit it's instant fine and six months loss of licence. If I'm twice the legal limit it's 12 months loss of licence and a good lawyer to avoid prison time.

    How does half the legal limit get you in trouble? Are your laws zero alcohol for driving

    What you described is pretty similar to most of the state laws. You see, each state has the latitude to make their own laws. Zo has picked a state to live in that is run by Mormons. As such, their laws are penal. It was just a few years ago that they repealed the "iron curtain" law. Here's an example of their laws. Zion curtain at bars.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:44 am

    Kiwigolfer wrote:Can somebody explain how blowing HALF the legal limit gets you 120 days loss of licence? If I blow half the legal limit I expect to walk free. If I'm slightly over the legal limit it's instant fine and six months loss of licence. If I'm twice the legal limit it's 12 months loss of licence and a good lawyer to avoid prison time.

    How does half the legal limit get you in trouble? Are your laws zero alcohol for driving

    In a lot of states there is a legal limit but also a lower threshold where an officer has discretion. In California the legal limit is .08 but officer discretion begins at .05. In Utah the limit is .08 but officer discretion begins at 0. Assume the average police officer isn't a police officer because he has immaculate discretion.

    The even more interesting part is if you appeal the 120 day suspension with no priors and a BAC as low as mine you'll have the suspension dropped at least until adjudication, provided you appeal to the DMV within 10 days. In my case the officers "forgot" to give me the form advising me of this and since in a friendly way the cops told me it was unlikely they'd prosecute i didn't hire an attorney until charges were filed.

    Ignorance of the law is never a defense in the US. Did the cops set me up? Probably. Also interesting is I strongly suspect I was called in by a 72 year old jealous husband of a 42 year old woman with whom I'm friendly. This guy built a fair amount of Park City. I could hire a private investigator, check phone records and maybe get off eventually but at great cost and I kind of feel like I'm just paying for being stupid about all of this.

    Once stopped for a DUI, even without a conviction, for a period of two years any amount of alcohol found while driving is irrebuttable DUI. This is a Mormon state, they don't believe in alcohol although they do believe in having a state monopoly on liquor sales and are expanding liquor store locations at a rapid rate.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:53 am

    Poe4soul wrote:
    Kiwigolfer wrote:Can somebody explain how blowing HALF the legal limit gets you 120 days loss of licence? If I blow half the legal limit I expect to walk free. If I'm slightly over the legal limit it's instant fine and six months loss of licence. If I'm twice the legal limit it's 12 months loss of licence and a good lawyer to avoid prison time.

    How does half the legal limit get you in trouble? Are your laws zero alcohol for driving

    What you described is pretty similar to most of the state laws.  You see, each state has the latitude to make their own laws.  Zo has picked a state to live in that is run by Mormons.  As such, their laws are penal. It was just a few years ago that they repealed the "iron curtain" law.  Here's an example of their laws. Zion curtain at bars.

    The offset is the lax gun laws. We're all armed here.
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    Re: Lorenzo's Excellent DUI Adventure

    Post  Poe4soul on Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:20 am

    Lorenzzo wrote:
    Poe4soul wrote:
    Kiwigolfer wrote:Can somebody explain how blowing HALF the legal limit gets you 120 days loss of licence? If I blow half the legal limit I expect to walk free. If I'm slightly over the legal limit it's instant fine and six months loss of licence. If I'm twice the legal limit it's 12 months loss of licence and a good lawyer to avoid prison time.

    How does half the legal limit get you in trouble? Are your laws zero alcohol for driving

    What you described is pretty similar to most of the state laws.  You see, each state has the latitude to make their own laws.  Zo has picked a state to live in that is run by Mormons.  As such, their laws are penal. It was just a few years ago that they repealed the "iron curtain" law.  Here's an example of their laws. Zion curtain at bars.

    The offset is the lax gun laws.  We're all armed here.

    Well, you got that going for you...

    I'd guess, based on my experience in Utah, the cops have to deal with people on prescription drugs. Or at least a perceived problem. That would explain the cops ability to arrest someone that is under the influence but blows 0. It sure gives Johnny Law a big stick.

    Beautiful place but the religion phucks it up, IMHO.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:00 am

    Poe4soul wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:
    Poe4soul wrote:
    Kiwigolfer wrote:Can somebody explain how blowing HALF the legal limit gets you 120 days loss of licence? If I blow half the legal limit I expect to walk free. If I'm slightly over the legal limit it's instant fine and six months loss of licence. If I'm twice the legal limit it's 12 months loss of licence and a good lawyer to avoid prison time.

    How does half the legal limit get you in trouble? Are your laws zero alcohol for driving

    What you described is pretty similar to most of the state laws.  You see, each state has the latitude to make their own laws.  Zo has picked a state to live in that is run by Mormons.  As such, their laws are penal. It was just a few years ago that they repealed the "iron curtain" law.  Here's an example of their laws. Zion curtain at bars.

    The offset is the lax gun laws.  We're all armed here.

    Well, you got that going for you...

    I'd guess, based on my experience in Utah, the cops have to deal with people on prescription drugs. Or at least a perceived problem. That would explain the cops ability to arrest someone that is under the influence but blows 0.  It sure gives Johnny Law a big stick.

    Beautiful place but the religion phucks it up, IMHO.  

    There's probably something to the drugs other than alcohol intent. They want the blood test so they can see what's in it. I probably would have gotten off because my blood was clean. Now I'll almost certainly get off because they lost my blood.

    Your perspective on the Mormons fucking up Utah is typical for someone who doesn't live here or spend much time. Park City has almost no Mormons. As far as the laws are concerned while alcohol is restrictive I'm in favor of almost everything else.

    I'd much rather be here than in California as far as overall freedoms are concerned.  If you can find me a better place to live all things considered please make a recommendation. If the downside is I can't drink or get stoned and drive I'm fine with that.

    In most ways Utah has preserved/created a culture I prefer over other places in the US. As far as my DUI situation, I acted stupidly.

    If you think this is the only place where cops are morons I have stories.


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    Post  Mongrel on Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:00 am

    In the '60's, my father took me on a pre-active duty vacation to some western states to visit relatives and friends I might not have seen again. One stop was Utah where a fellow country club member and friend of his from Pennsylvania had moved to several years before when he got into a new manufacturing business. He was Mormon and married a local Mormon gal and evidently they were pretty high up in the church with access to all the inner sanctums and the secret archive caves and the secret handshakes and all that crap. So anyway they lived in Sandy which is an SLC 'burb and we wemt skiing at Alta one morning and played 18 later on that day at his country club which was about all Mormons. We all had dinner there that night and let me tell you that these Inner Sanctum Mormons were drinking the hooch and smoking cigs like fiends. My little 20 year old mongrel butt fit right in.

    I would hazard a guess that the beaurocrats and other govt. functionaries and drones like the cops are, like everywhere else, extremely envious of those who got the bucks be they local or outsiders and will do whatever they can to hassle them. I knew some native Utahians or whatever you call them in the military and these guys were anything but bright and thought that real excitement came from chasing farm animals for rough coitis.
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    Post  Kiwigolfer on Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:28 am

    Ok I get it. So basically you really shouldn't drink and drive at all in Utah. Our limit is currently 0.08 but a recent amendment bill reducing it to 0.05 has been through parliament and is due to become law in December. Similar to California up to .05 you're Ok, between .05 and .08 is an instant fine and 50 demerit points. Over .08 is a criminal offence with instant fine and 6 months loss of licence. 100 demerit points within two years and it's a 3 month loss of licence. So if you're caught between .05 and .08 twice in two years you will lose your licence for 3 months. The new law is really going to curtail social drinking after work and after golf. Not sure how many I can have in an hour and still be below .05. At present I'm comfortable having three standard drinks in one hour but that will drop significantly to only about one drink per hour. Might as well not bother drinking or get a cab.
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    Post  Kiwigolfer on Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:31 am

    Poe4soul wrote:
    Kiwigolfer wrote:Can somebody explain how blowing HALF the legal limit gets you 120 days loss of licence? If I blow half the legal limit I expect to walk free. If I'm slightly over the legal limit it's instant fine and six months loss of licence. If I'm twice the legal limit it's 12 months loss of licence and a good lawyer to avoid prison time.

    How does half the legal limit get you in trouble? Are your laws zero alcohol for driving

    What you described is pretty similar to most of the state laws.  You see, each state has the latitude to make their own laws.  Zo has picked a state to live in that is run by Mormons.  As such, their laws are penal. It was just a few years ago that they repealed the "iron curtain" law.  Here's an example of their laws. Zion curtain at bars.

    Wow the Zion Curtain - bizarre!  Suspect 
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    Post  Poe4soul on Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:28 pm

    Kiwigolfer wrote:
    Poe4soul wrote:
    Kiwigolfer wrote:Can somebody explain how blowing HALF the legal limit gets you 120 days loss of licence? If I blow half the legal limit I expect to walk free. If I'm slightly over the legal limit it's instant fine and six months loss of licence. If I'm twice the legal limit it's 12 months loss of licence and a good lawyer to avoid prison time.

    How does half the legal limit get you in trouble? Are your laws zero alcohol for driving

    What you described is pretty similar to most of the state laws.  You see, each state has the latitude to make their own laws.  Zo has picked a state to live in that is run by Mormons.  As such, their laws are penal. It was just a few years ago that they repealed the "iron curtain" law.  Here's an example of their laws. Zion curtain at bars.

    Wow the Zion Curtain - bizarre!  Suspect 

    But you can carry guns. WTF?
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:27 pm

    And you can engage in polygamy… thus my avatar…

    Fortunately we get more than two days of sun per year… Makes anything worth it…
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    Post  Kiwigolfer on Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:44 pm

    Lorenzzo wrote:And you can engage in polygamy… thus my avatar…

    Fortunately we get more than two days of sun per year… Makes anything worth it…

    Wow time flies since you were toasting the snow god or whatever? So it must be the height of summer now, are you mountain biking these days Zo?
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    Post  Poe4soul on Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:49 pm

    Lorenzzo wrote:And you can engage in polygamy… thus my avatar…

    Fortunately we get more than two days of sun per year… Makes anything worth it…

    Funny, it is rainy as I type... first couple of days of rain in months. Glad though, eastern Washington and Oregon forests are on fire. This should give them a reprieve. Our vegetation will be happy again with all of this moisture. I'm sure many in the SW would give to have rain.

    Have you purchased your magical underwear? I sure we can both agree that it's a crazy religion. One of the craziest in the US, I might add.


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    Post  Kiwigolfer on Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:03 pm

    I don't know a lot about Mormons but as kids we knew them as these strange tall guys in suits riding bikes and going door to door peddling their religious beliefs. My parents never let them in but a friends parents did and they were in the house over an hour praying and singing. They couldn't get rid of them and after that they came back many times hoping to complete the indoctrination. They were politely declined on their return visits.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:17 pm

    Kiwigolfer wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:And you can engage in polygamy… thus my avatar…

    Fortunately we get more than two days of sun per year… Makes anything worth it…

    Wow time flies since you were toasting the snow god or whatever? So it must be the height of summer now, are you mountain biking these days Zo?

    There's about two days worth of snow left at 3,000 meters in shady spots so skiing is but a memory. Although in the time it takes for a license suspension (120 days) I'll be skiing again. Hard to believe. The dry land ski training now becoming common at the gym is a reminder.

    I'm MB 2-3 days a week, road biking the same (in addition to necessary transportation). The lift serviced trails are the bomb. What's your winter been like so far. Haven't heard from my Mt. Cook buds.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:32 pm

    Poe4soul wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:And you can engage in polygamy… thus my avatar…

    Fortunately we get more than two days of sun per year… Makes anything worth it…

    Funny, it is rainy as I type...  first couple of days of rain in months.  Glad though, eastern Washington and Oregon forests are on fire.  This should give them a reprieve. Our vegetation will be happy again with all of this moisture.  I'm sure many in the SW would give to have rain.

    Have you purchased your magical underwear?  I sure we can both agree that it's a crazy religion. One of the craziest in the US, I might add.



    The abnormal conditions hopefully aren't harming your mold and fungus.

    Has the suicide rate dropped?  Look for a massive surge when the weather returns to normal.

    I'm not seeing Portland anywhere on the top 100 list of livable places.  Geez, the entire Rust Belt made the list.  Your insecurity over where you live is understandable.

    http://livability.com/top-100-best-places-to-live

    SLC is #8
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    Post  Poe4soul on Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:11 pm

    Lorenzzo wrote:
    Poe4soul wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:And you can engage in polygamy… thus my avatar…

    Fortunately we get more than two days of sun per year… Makes anything worth it…

    Funny, it is rainy as I type...  first couple of days of rain in months.  Glad though, eastern Washington and Oregon forests are on fire.  This should give them a reprieve. Our vegetation will be happy again with all of this moisture.  I'm sure many in the SW would give to have rain.

    Have you purchased your magical underwear?  I sure we can both agree that it's a crazy religion. One of the craziest in the US, I might add.



    The abnormal conditions hopefully aren't harming your mold and fungus.

    Has the suicide rate dropped?  Look for a massive surge when the weather returns to normal.

    I'm not seeing Portland anywhere on the top 100 list of livable places.  Geez, the entire Rust Belt made the list.  Your insecurity over where you live is understandable.

    http://livability.com/top-100-best-places-to-live

    SLC is #8

    The devil is in the details... Per your link  "Our ranking of the top 100 best places to live focuses on small to mid-sized cities..."  I'd guess Portland didn't meet the size criteria.

    We do have a lot of fungi. I love fungi.  I just had black fungi Thai dish for lunch. It was delicious.  We do have some great food in Portland.  Our super markets are awesome.  Remember those does days? Barbur world foods is just up the street.  You'd love the olive oil isle.  http://www.worldfoodsportland.com/foods.htmll

    Well look here, SLC made the 25th spot, Portland only made the 7th in Foodie towns.
    http://www.travelandleisure.com/articles/americas-best-cities-for-foodies/7

    Your logic is a bit off on suicide.  Portland does have a high suicide rate but not as high as many sunny places.  It's probably more due to drugs, alcohol, and the number of young people moving to the area without employment.  http://www.businessinsider.com/most-suicidal-us-cities-2011-7?op=1

    Don't make me search strip clubs and brew pubs.  Utah is way down on those lists compared to Portland.

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