I took my beloved 18* Cally FT square-headed and 17* Adam Tech OS gaybrid to the range yesterday and i hit both of them well , granted my 17* gaybrid is about 1.5" shorter but I lose (can't tell from the distance) 5-10 yds at most. I am bagging my 17* gaybrid for a game with my colleagues on Monday. Somehow I trust it more than the 18* 5W which I also love... Will see... Maybe I should search for a 15.5* gaybrid to replave my 15* 3W... shorter shaft - to me - would be a plus for consistency
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18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
Mongrel- Posts : 1780
Join date : 2012-12-04
Location : The Oort Cloud
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Re: 18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
I've have a couple of lower lofted hybrids and the only one I hit OK some of the time is an Adams A7 PNT 17*. Not reliable enough so it was kicked out of the bag. Two weeks ago I scored a nice Adams Idea Black Super Hybrid with stiff VooDoo shaft in 19* that is 41" long which is the factory length. I hit it much better and farther than the various 16* and 17* hybrids I have and the VooDoo shaft keeps the ball down very well. In the last few days, I reshafted my oldie but goodie Mizuno T-Zoid Fli Hi 21* (from about 2002) with the Nippon N.S. Pro T105 in stiff that came in my Titleist 773 3 iron. That club is 39.5". I played it first time today and hit the very loving snot out of it. My playing partners were remarking after every shot I hit with it. That length is about 3/4" longer than my 4 iron. I think that the Adams Super Hybrid 19* is maybe 10-15 yards longer on good strikes but the Mizuno iis a good bit better off tight fairway lies since I can hit down on it like an iron.
Pky6471- Posts : 857
Join date : 2012-12-05
Location : Between DC and NY
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Re: 18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
I've heard a lot of good thing about the Mizuno T-Zoid Fli Hi ... but never play one
Mongrel- Posts : 1780
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Re: 18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
My wife bought the club on Ebay for me. Total cost including shipping just under $10. It had the factory True Temper Dynamic Gold High Launch but of course I had to try different shafts in it. They also come with Exsar graphite shafts for a bit more money. But I am loving those Nippon shafts that came in the Titleist set. I have put them all in my Cobra FP irons that had graphite. 200% improvement. More accurate. More precise distances. Longer. And I'm either stopping or spinning back irons up to 5 iron.
trombettista_vecchio- Posts : 307
Join date : 2012-12-15
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Re: 18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
I thought I was out, and they pulled me back in!!!
I'm not even sniffing my old eight cap, but I'm back on the course--now Campbell's Scottish Highlands in Salem, New Hampshire. (There's a scorecard online if you're interested.) It's tight as a librarian's twat and takes the driver out of EVERYBODY'S hands. That's works in my favor as I hit the four wood (or the driving iron) better than the other ancient bucks with whom I assault the links.
I still like the lofted woods better than the hybrids, Mongrel, and I'm hitting persimmon. Listing the bag might be the ultimate bitchmove these days, but here's what I'm "endorsing" for the late 2014 season. There's a driver there but I hit it on TWO holes.
Louisville Golf 13º "Thumper Max" driver
Louisville Golf 18, 21, 24º "Niblick" fairway woods
Ping Rapture DI 18° driving iron
Callaway Apex #s 5-9 irons, PW, AW
Titleist Vokey SM5 58-4 wedge
Frankly Frog Model 08 putter
Titleist "DT SoLo" ball
Belding "Passport" bag
Adidas "Adicross III" shoes
Still no glove...not going to take one on now after 55 years of golf.
Also no 1950s weak lofts and no dedicated sand iron. I've gone to hell in my old age.
I'm not even sniffing my old eight cap, but I'm back on the course--now Campbell's Scottish Highlands in Salem, New Hampshire. (There's a scorecard online if you're interested.) It's tight as a librarian's twat and takes the driver out of EVERYBODY'S hands. That's works in my favor as I hit the four wood (or the driving iron) better than the other ancient bucks with whom I assault the links.
I still like the lofted woods better than the hybrids, Mongrel, and I'm hitting persimmon. Listing the bag might be the ultimate bitchmove these days, but here's what I'm "endorsing" for the late 2014 season. There's a driver there but I hit it on TWO holes.
Louisville Golf 13º "Thumper Max" driver
Louisville Golf 18, 21, 24º "Niblick" fairway woods
Ping Rapture DI 18° driving iron
Callaway Apex #s 5-9 irons, PW, AW
Titleist Vokey SM5 58-4 wedge
Frankly Frog Model 08 putter
Titleist "DT SoLo" ball
Belding "Passport" bag
Adidas "Adicross III" shoes
Still no glove...not going to take one on now after 55 years of golf.
Also no 1950s weak lofts and no dedicated sand iron. I've gone to hell in my old age.
Mongrel- Posts : 1780
Join date : 2012-12-04
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Re: 18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
I assume that you have graphite shafts in your persimmon-headed woods.
Lorenzzo- Posts : 699
Join date : 2012-12-05
Location : Park City, UT
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Re: 18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
After three years of not holding a golf club at all I went out and hit a bucket of balls last week. It was quite the humiliating experience. It was possibly worse than the first time I ever hit golf balls.
I'll give it another couple of tries but if I'm starting at square one that's all she wrote.
I'll give it another couple of tries but if I'm starting at square one that's all she wrote.
Poe4soul- Posts : 417
Join date : 2012-12-08
Location : Portland, OR
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Lorenzzo wrote:After three years of not holding a golf club at all I went out and hit a bucket of balls last week. It was quite the humiliating experience. It was possibly worse than the first time I ever hit golf balls.
I'll give it another couple of tries but if I'm starting at square one that's all she wrote.
Interesting, I didn't picture you as a quitter.
trombettista_vecchio- Posts : 307
Join date : 2012-12-15
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Mongrel wrote:I assume that you have graphite shafts in your persimmon-headed woods.
I have graphite shafts on all fourteen clubs. The Frankly Frog putter is offered with a graphite shaft and I took it.
Graphite plays more like hickory than steel does. Unlike steel, both cushion the shock.
If modern clubheads had hosels that accepted hickory shafts, they wouldn't be off the table either. I just don't like steel; it hurts my arthritic hands. They swell after five or six holes. Too much boxing as a kid.
Mongrel- Posts : 1780
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Re: 18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
I put a set of Nippon NS Pro 105's that were OEM Titleist shafts in my Cobra hacker heads. They are stiff flex and weigh about 115 grams each. I have played them for the past month and a half. I hit pretty hard down and through the ball with these and have experienced no joint pain at all. Even off tight baked fairway lies. I am about your age. The Nippon shafts are superior to any other steel shaft I ever used. I found no spines or bend spots at all in the eight shafts I pulled and re-installed.
Now another reason might be that I now use a Bionic Glove. Its black leather and has internal ribs in the finger joint areas that feel just like the grip has a reminder rib at the six o'clock position. It cost $24.95 but it is hardly wearing at all after about ten rounds and a couple of hundred practice balls.
Now another reason might be that I now use a Bionic Glove. Its black leather and has internal ribs in the finger joint areas that feel just like the grip has a reminder rib at the six o'clock position. It cost $24.95 but it is hardly wearing at all after about ten rounds and a couple of hundred practice balls.
trombettista_vecchio- Posts : 307
Join date : 2012-12-15
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Re: 18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
Interesting. I would look for the most optimum steel shaft for my game if I felt that I suffered in any way from using graphite. I switched to all-graphite about a decade or so ago, if memory serves, and my game was fine.
It's not now--single digits are probably no longer realistic due to physical limitations--but steel won't make it any better. As long as I can still play anywhere in the eighties, and maybe, if I'm old enough, low 90s will be OK, it won't be my scoring that chases me from the game. It wasn't the scores last time. It just stopped being appealing for awhile, but then the urge returned. Maybe I just enjoy Scottish Highlands. I ran into old friends scraping it around there.
As for graphite, it doesn't seem to hurt my game and it just feels better to me. I love the feel of hickory even more, but the clubheads available on hickory have no game improvement features at all. As for what the tour guys play, I don't even watch golf as a spectator sport very much.
It's not now--single digits are probably no longer realistic due to physical limitations--but steel won't make it any better. As long as I can still play anywhere in the eighties, and maybe, if I'm old enough, low 90s will be OK, it won't be my scoring that chases me from the game. It wasn't the scores last time. It just stopped being appealing for awhile, but then the urge returned. Maybe I just enjoy Scottish Highlands. I ran into old friends scraping it around there.
As for graphite, it doesn't seem to hurt my game and it just feels better to me. I love the feel of hickory even more, but the clubheads available on hickory have no game improvement features at all. As for what the tour guys play, I don't even watch golf as a spectator sport very much.
Mongrel- Posts : 1780
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Re: 18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
Type of shaft is mainly a timing consideration for me. After lots of trial and error, I have figured out that I will hit any club that will be contacting turf better with a steel shaft. Even if that shaft only weighs 10-20 grams more than its graphite equivalent. I think I would probably like the premium heavy graphite iron shaft a lot but I'll be damned if I'd spend $40 or more per shaft to find out. Driver will be graphite in as light a weight as I can swing all out and time well enough not to go dead left.
Pky6471- Posts : 857
Join date : 2012-12-05
Location : Between DC and NY
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Re: 18* 5W vs 17* Gaybrid
Mongrel wrote:Type of shaft is mainly a timing consideration for me. After lots of trial and error, I have figured out that I will hit any club that will be contacting turf better with a steel shaft. Even if that shaft only weighs 10-20 grams more than its graphite equivalent. I think I would probably like the premium heavy graphite iron shaft a lot but I'll be damned if I'd spend $40 or more per shaft to find out. Driver will be graphite in as light a weight as I can swing all out and time well enough not to go dead left.
Yes, timing - IMO - is HUGE. We played yesterday and my friend played his new (to him) G20 Ping driver, I NEVER see him hit a driver that consistent before. he said its head is heavier than his old 2009 TM driver and that seems to do the trick for him, maybe it forces him to slow down his swing and gives better results ? I told him "watch out, it could be just a honeymoon period.... so write down what you do right with this new driver"
trombettista_vecchio- Posts : 307
Join date : 2012-12-15
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Timing in golf is all coordination and no reflexes. You don't need either a quick trigger or a quick read in golf.
My problem is that my reflexes were always noticeably better than my coordinqtion--I boxed and played baseball pretty well. In sports, the games that involve attacking and defending goals require lots of coordination, but I didn't play them. I did and now once again do play golf, however, and coordination is everything.
I just align my left shoulder, left knee, and my hands as straight as decreased flexibily allows, keep my left heel down flat on the backswing to maintain balance, and pull the butt of the grip straight and hard to the ball. This results in a late release of the wrists and a follow through down the target line and up in front of my face instead of around my body as a more flexible and coordinated person might have. On hard shots, the club sometimes recoils straight down from the end of the follow-through.
Anything less simple than that is beyond what I'm coordinated enough to do, but I was once as low as a seven doing that and kept in the 8/9 range until maybe 2011 when I was sixty-four and took a break.
My problem is that my reflexes were always noticeably better than my coordinqtion--I boxed and played baseball pretty well. In sports, the games that involve attacking and defending goals require lots of coordination, but I didn't play them. I did and now once again do play golf, however, and coordination is everything.
I just align my left shoulder, left knee, and my hands as straight as decreased flexibily allows, keep my left heel down flat on the backswing to maintain balance, and pull the butt of the grip straight and hard to the ball. This results in a late release of the wrists and a follow through down the target line and up in front of my face instead of around my body as a more flexible and coordinated person might have. On hard shots, the club sometimes recoils straight down from the end of the follow-through.
Anything less simple than that is beyond what I'm coordinated enough to do, but I was once as low as a seven doing that and kept in the 8/9 range until maybe 2011 when I was sixty-four and took a break.