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    Buying Pot Freely in Colorado and now WA state

    Post  Pky6471 on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:59 am

    Well, not exactly "freely" because they still have control over how much you could buy. The idea is not new, when I was in Amsterdam 20+ yrs ago, they already have the "smoke house" where anyone could go in , buy and smoke...
    In USA they have seen evidence of medical benefits... but forget about that benefits for now, I could see other benefits (1) tax benefit (2) possible less crime since they don't have to buy at the street corners anymore etc... the problem is "employment"... my company could grasp any employees at any time and go for a drug test, company requires drug test before they hire anyone... so, that's our choice to smoke pot or not and it's employers choice to give us a job a not...
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    Post  Poe4soul on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:52 pm

    Pky6471 wrote:Well, not exactly "freely" because they still have control over how much you could buy. The idea is not new, when I was in Amsterdam 20+ yrs ago, they already have the "smoke house" where anyone could go in , buy and smoke...
    In USA they have seen evidence of medical benefits... but forget about that benefits for now, I could see other benefits (1) tax benefit (2) possible less crime since they don't have to buy at the street corners anymore etc... the problem is "employment"... my company could grasp any employees at any time and go for a drug test, company requires drug test before they hire anyone... so, that's our choice to smoke pot or not and it's employers choice to give us a job a not...

    Washington and Oregon have medical marijuana laws. How does that fit into the drug testing?

    One of my golfing buddies wife has Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and has found marijuana to be more effective than any prescription drug available. She make tinctures and is very scientific about the doses and treatment. She's also in the medical field doing screening and testing. She had an exposure to someones blood and had to go in for a drug test. Marijuana popped up on the test. She showed them her prescription and not another word was mentioned.

    This is definitely going to get interesting, especially with it being prescribed.

    Oregon has had medical marijuana for a long time. Cops don't even hassle with trying to bust people for it unless you are being a complete douche bag. A little discretion and small amounts for personal use and they pretty much leave you alone.
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    Post  Horseballs on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:56 pm

    I think one of the main benefits in legalizing MJ (and there are so many) is that you don't have to come in contact with a potential criminal to buy it. I know a lot of people grow their own and whatnot, but I've gone on a buy with my college roommate (who was a small time dealer, 1/2 pound per week), and the dudes he bought from were not hippy farmers. These guys were serious criminals, into all sorts of sh!t.
    I also think there needs to be a simple way to test intoxication. Drug testing just shows whether you've smoked in 30 days, and field tests are too subjective. I don't care what the weed proponents say, driving while high is problematic.
    Other than that, I'm all for it. Honestly, I'm not into it personally very much anymore. I really don't like smoke in my lungs of any kind. What I think you're going to find is that most people will do it frequently when they are younger, then taper off or quit altogether when they get real responsibilities. Probably like binge drinking. Sure, you'll still get the 45 year old dude who is a total burnout, but they're around today.
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    Post  Mongrel on Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:27 pm

    I love it when the political candidates tout pot legalisation as a great way to raise revenue. Couple it with legalised gambling in casinos and you've got tax monies coming out your ears. Of course when enough of the citizenry start using the legalised pot and gambling in the state controlled casinos, they will evenuatually run out of money to buy pot and gamble and lack the energy to keep a current job or seek a better one. So in the end, all that revenue will be spent on welfare for the pot smokers and subsidies for the casino owners until the casinos go tits-up and become homeless shelters for the pot smokers.

    As a former pot user, I think that anyone will buys legal pot from government monitored establishments must be on drugs.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:07 pm

    I had a friend from Oregon years back who grew his own. He showed up once complaining about the weed he grew wondering if herbicides he'd used had worn off, whether the fertilizer affected it or there had been a petrol spill.

    There is risk any crop can be compromised whether lettuce, pot or whatever but I prefer some form of regulation and legalization for that reason alone.  Humans will always want to diminish their capacity. I'm for making that as safe as reasonable but the offset is more widespread use and further decline in this decaying culture of ours.

    As a well initiated pot consumer from college days when I ran my company I stopped using and drug tested everyone. With my time and money at risk I preferred employees from the pool of nonusers. Now with legalization the wicket gets stickier as far as whether you can select employees that way.  

    Honestly, I think I would stop the drug testing because of that issue alone. Everyone in California that uses clinics has a doctor's excuse and a purported medical condition. Look for the legal envelope to be pushed in this area. Unfortunately that would let through the meth and coke users but the exposure from that sort of differentiation could theoretically be significant. Could you imagine relying upon a jury to make those kinds of distinctions?  

    There have been legal clinics in California for some time so I'm not sure how Colorado and Oregon are really different other than statewide voter initiatives providing the impetus.

    When people here consume they often vape to avoid smoke consequences. Someone was telling me when the spring cycling season begins they can't keep vaporizers in stock because sales are so brisk.
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    Post  FreakOfNature on Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:12 pm

    Why can't people just grow their own for personal use the way we do fruits and vegetables, herbs and spices, in our own gardens already? Treat it like carrots FFS. You want some, here you can buy it in a store from us, or you can grow your own. The positive implications of this are staggering.

    Imagine if pot users only bought pot over the counter, or grew their own. If they buy it over the counter, they pay tax on it. Gov't revenue right there, jobs for the ppl needed to grow it. If they grow their own, they aren't buying it from dealers, supporting organized crime or terrorist organizations, and looky at all that money they now have to spend on other goods like a new car, or a new sofa, or a new house, or maybe a second vacation home. So you have more property taxes paid, more goods and services taxes paid, I fail to see why pot itself is the thing which needs to be taxed and regulated. Just give people the option of providing for themselves and let them spend the money they save in our already established economy. If the gov't and business want that money, it's theirs if pot smokers are given the right to freely provide for themselves. All that money not being spent on pot will go back into the economy in more traditional means, and be taxed as well.

    So why are the people who would benefit the most from this (business and gov't) still opposing this change? Fukk people are stupid sometimes. Only a true capitalist would ever turn down free money.
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    Post  FamousDavis on Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:19 pm

    It will be interesting to see the unemployment rates in Colorado in 5 to 10 years. I knew several guys in college who started out using it recreationally but by their junior or senior year they were hooked and did it every day. I'm not saying everyone does that. I just can't stand the hypocracy of the whole "medical marijuana" thing. It's such a farse. Yes, I realize alcohol is just as bad if not worse.

    Think of how excited everyone is about this new law. If you really think about it, it's kind of scary. People getting all jazzed up over the ability to legally alter how they feel. Because that's really what it's all about - the need to feel better by using a drug that alters the chemistry in your brain. The people who buy from these stores label it as an act of freedom and liberation. In the end they are just pot heads. They are people who need a drug to feel better.

    So the businesses who got in early are doing great and are probably selling for a higher price than the pot dealer did.

    I realize this is not the popular opinion.
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    Post  Mongrel on Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:34 pm

    A year after I started using it I dropped out of college and volunteered for the U.S. military where I could get paid and get loaded while helping to kill people. Perhaps the murder rates in the legal pot states will rise to the point where the populations will use less of the scare resources like water and gasoline leading to relaxed drought restrictions and lower prices at the pump.
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    Post  Poe4soul on Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:19 am

    FamousDavis wrote:It will be interesting to see the unemployment rates in Colorado in 5 to 10 years.  I knew several guys in college who started out using it recreationally but by their junior or senior year they were hooked and did it every day.  I'm not saying everyone does that.  I just can't stand the hypocracy of the whole "medical marijuana" thing.  It's such a farse.  Yes, I realize alcohol is just as bad if not worse.

    Think of how excited everyone is about this new law.  If you really think about it, it's kind of scary.  People getting all jazzed up over the ability to legally alter how they feel.  Because that's really what it's all about - the need to feel better by using a drug that alters the chemistry in your brain.  The people who buy from these stores label it as an act of freedom and liberation.  In the end they are just pot heads.  They are people who need a drug to feel better.  

    So the businesses who got in early are doing great and are probably selling for a higher price than the pot dealer did.  

    I realize this is not the popular opinion.  
    I doubt it will have any effect on the unemployment rate. Both states have medical marijuana laws.  If you want to buy and smoke, it's very easy.  The police don't bother you unless you are publicly intoxicated. Include vaping into the equation and you really can't tell who is and who isn't getting high.
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    Post  Pky6471 on Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:52 am

    This subject will be an interesting debate for yrs to come. Enough evidence showing the medical benefits, however, one could argue that there would be people who could abuse the use of it. One thing for sure - at present - most large companies in USA would require a drug test as one of conditions for employment ... and even during working ... So unless one plans to run his/her own business , unless he/she has a need for "medical' pot , then he/she should think twice about using it... Not sure if there is a right or wrong answer
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    Post  Mongrel on Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:47 am

    How timely is one of the headlines on The Drudge Report this morning. Seems that welfare recipients in Colorado are given EBT cards-- that's "Electronic Benefits". A welfare debit card. How cool. Anyway, some of these critters are using their EBT's to buy legal pot and some of the local politicos are trying to stop the practice. Maybe it would make more sense to just supply the welfare people with free pot the govt. can get from busted dealers and transporters. After their cases have been adjuticated to finality, of course. And why not throw in heroin, cocaine, meth, PCP? In the long run, the increased death rate could lead to less revinue needed to support the dole.
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    Post  Poe4soul on Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:41 am

    Pky6471 wrote:This subject will be an interesting debate for yrs to come.  Enough evidence showing the medical benefits, however, one could argue that there would be people who could abuse the use of it. One thing for sure - at present - most large companies in USA would require a drug test as one of conditions for employment ... and even during working ... So unless one plans to run his/her own business , unless he/she has a need for "medical' pot , then he/she should think twice about using it... Not sure if there is a right or wrong answer

    It will be interesting. You can drug test for alcohol, but marijuana stays in the blood long after the intoxicating effects are gone. If it's legal, I don't know how you'll be able to fire someone unless they are intoxicated on the job. I'm not sure how you can deny employment of someone for use if the drug is legal. Same for the prescription drug use. If you have a script, and you are not operating equipment or some other safety reasons, just like any other script, then I don't know how you could terminate someone for testing positive. I'm sure it will be a long strange ride.

    BTW - I'm a Rastafarian. Since the Hobby Lobby decision, I've decided us Rasta's should be allowed to smoke dope anywhere, at any time. Ya nuh see it?
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:28 am

    FamousDavis wrote:It will be interesting to see the unemployment rates in Colorado in 5 to 10 years.  I knew several guys in college who started out using it recreationally but by their junior or senior year they were hooked and did it every day.  I'm not saying everyone does that.  I just can't stand the hypocracy of the whole "medical marijuana" thing.  It's such a farse.  Yes, I realize alcohol is just as bad if not worse.

    Think of how excited everyone is about this new law.  If you really think about it, it's kind of scary.  People getting all jazzed up over the ability to legally alter how they feel.  Because that's really what it's all about - the need to feel better by using a drug that alters the chemistry in your brain.  The people who buy from these stores label it as an act of freedom and liberation.  In the end they are just pot heads.  They are people who need a drug to feel better.  

    So the businesses who got in early are doing great and are probably selling for a higher price than the pot dealer did.  

    I realize this is not the popular opinion.  

    You make a good point about employment.  I'd rather start or expand a business here Utah than Colorado.  Not only would my employees here be somewhat less likely to be blazing, but if I suspected they were I could just call the cops and have the employee/suspect/derelict stopped on the way home.  The state would do my work for me with no hassle from labor attorneys.  Once even stopped for DUI whether or not any shows up in a blood test, which one consents to when obtaining a license, even a trace found in a subsequent stop would result in an auto conviction, loss of license and likely jail time.

    Let the state handle my labor problems for me....it's so much less costly and more convenient.

    At present, there are no affordable tests that show when MJ was consumed.  You can't tell if your employee's positive test shows whether he blazed out back during a break or last week.  You need the government to test, penalize and protect you by clipping the person's wings for you.  Particularly given it won't be long before bleeding heart juries start awarding for terminations related to legal substances.
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    Post  FamousDavis on Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:04 am

    Pky6471 wrote:This subject will be an interesting debate for yrs to come.  Enough evidence showing the medical benefits, however, one could argue that there would be people who could abuse the use of it. One thing for sure - at present - most large companies in USA would require a drug test as one of conditions for employment ... and even during working ... So unless one plans to run his/her own business , unless he/she has a need for "medical' pot , then he/she should think twice about using it... Not sure if there is a right or wrong answer

    The whole "medical marijuana" thing is a joke, for the most part. I'm sure there is a very small percentage of people who go to these places that need pot as the means to subdue their pain.

    What's odd to me are all the people who now frequent these pot-selling facilities and are interviewed on TV. I've seen a few of the documentaries. These people are all excited about their newfound freedom and that they can buy pot legally. What's strange to me is that when I see these people get in line at these government-approved facilities, it looks like imprisonment to me. Like they are a bunch of rats that are part of a government-sponsored test.

    Why not make pot legal? This is why - the state can make a huge amount of money by controlling the trade and approving the businesses that can sell the stuff. This way they maintain control, get tax revenue and the politicians who support it get elected. It's such a joke. The state makes it look like they are finally giving in and allowing people to do what they want to do. They're not. They are allowing people to do something that benefits the state and those who work for it.

    The state is basically saying "we'll let you smoke pot but you will buy it through our approved facilities and you will pay us taxes to do so". It's a disquised version of the Cartel.
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    Post  Horseballs on Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:10 am

    FamousDavis wrote:It will be interesting to see the unemployment rates in Colorado in 5 to 10 years.  I knew several guys in college who started out using it recreationally but by their junior or senior year they were hooked and did it every day.  I'm not saying everyone does that.  I just can't stand the hypocracy of the whole "medical marijuana" thing.  It's such a farse.  Yes, I realize alcohol is just as bad if not worse.

    Think of how excited everyone is about this new law.  If you really think about it, it's kind of scary.  People getting all jazzed up over the ability to legally alter how they feel.  Because that's really what it's all about - the need to feel better by using a drug that alters the chemistry in your brain.  The people who buy from these stores label it as an act of freedom and liberation.  In the end they are just pot heads.  They are people who need a drug to feel better.  

    So the businesses who got in early are doing great and are probably selling for a higher price than the pot dealer did.  

    I realize this is not the popular opinion.  
    I don't know if it's going to affect overall usage in Colorado. Lots of people smoke weed. It's just now those same people won't be breaking a law.
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    Post  Poe4soul on Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:37 am

    Horseballs wrote:
    FamousDavis wrote:It will be interesting to see the unemployment rates in Colorado in 5 to 10 years.  I knew several guys in college who started out using it recreationally but by their junior or senior year they were hooked and did it every day.  I'm not saying everyone does that.  I just can't stand the hypocracy of the whole "medical marijuana" thing.  It's such a farse.  Yes, I realize alcohol is just as bad if not worse.

    Think of how excited everyone is about this new law.  If you really think about it, it's kind of scary.  People getting all jazzed up over the ability to legally alter how they feel.  Because that's really what it's all about - the need to feel better by using a drug that alters the chemistry in your brain.  The people who buy from these stores label it as an act of freedom and liberation.  In the end they are just pot heads.  They are people who need a drug to feel better.  

    So the businesses who got in early are doing great and are probably selling for a higher price than the pot dealer did.  

    I realize this is not the popular opinion.  
    I don't know if it's going to affect overall usage in Colorado.  Lots of people smoke weed.  It's just now those same people won't be breaking a law.  

    Exactly, HB. There are many casually users out there that will probably use more often since it is now legal. That doesn't make them pot heads like FD claims.

    To FD's point, pot is no different then alcohol in this respect. It's controlled and taxed by each state. In Oregon and Washington, for the most part, you have to go to a state controlled liquor store to by spirits. Which is no different than the pot stores. I know in Oregon the habitual pot users don't want the state to control it. A prescription drug card costs 250 dollars. Most users have a professional grower grow for them legally. This basically means pot production is in not state controlled and the cost is very low. In Washington, the law established the classic three-tier system we know from the alcohol industry (producer/grower, distribution, and retail.) The product is painfully controlled. Id tags, bar codes, etc. and tracked laboriously from plant to consumer. Coupled with the taxes, the cost is higher than the illegal market. Now there is a move in Washington to revoke parts of the medical marijuana law to eliminate the personal grow option. Basically you would have to buy from the state system. Like you couldn't predict that coming.

    But you're right FD. Things that are illegal that the state thinks they can make money on, they make legal and control. Just like running numbers (lottery) and other gambling.
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    Post  Kiwigolfer on Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:20 pm

    I hate the amount of police time wasted trying to fight the cannabis trade. Whilst I'm not personally in favour of it I think legalising it and then regulating and taxing the industry is the way to go. Then the dopeheads can buy their fix through regulated suppliers rather than dealing with the crims. They'll smoke whether it's legal or not so why not regulate it and tax the hell out of it and free up the police to focus on higher priorities. The only negative for me is that there will be a percentage of people/kids who don't smoke currently due to the fact that it is illegal but would be more likely to smoke if it is legalised.

    But fighting it is a losing battle and just seems like a waste of resources to me.

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    Kiwigolfer wrote:I hate the amount of police time wasted trying to fight the cannabis trade. Whilst I'm not personally in favour of it I think legalising it and then regulating and taxing the industry is the way to go. Then the dopeheads can buy their fix through regulated suppliers rather than dealing with the crims. They'll smoke whether it's legal or not so why not regulate it and tax the hell out of it and free up the police to focus on higher priorities.  The only negative for me is that there will be a percentage of people/kids who don't smoke currently due to the fact that it is illegal but would be more likely to smoke if it is legalised.

    But fighting it is a losing battle and just seems like a waste of resources to me.


    I remember long ago, when I was a young adult and under the drinking age, it was easier to get pot and other drugs than it was to get alcohol. I laughed my arse off when The Wolf of Wall Street did the Lemon 714 quaalude scene. When I was in high school I could get 10 714 Lemons for $40 or a 6'er of beer for $4. It was a no brainer, we bought more quaaludes than beer that summer. I also remember watching the news and the DEA was shown rolling barrels of quaaludes off a ship. Largest bust, blah, blah, blah. All I could think is our quaalude fun was about to end. Within a few weeks they were off the street. One of the strongest arguments to get pot out of the black market, is that it's a gate way drug for teenagers. they guys that sold us pot, sold cocaine, LSD, speed, crank, crack, etc. Free samples seemed to be their way of getting you to try the stuff.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:28 pm

    I'm going to post this in the DUI thread because with storm conditions the way they are it's difficult to type. In fact it's fortunate I can type one-handed because I am hanging on to a palm tree with the other hand while the wind blows me sideways.

    I don't know how much longer I can do this before I become prey to this horrid cyclone. My beloved gf was blown out to sea. You may hear there have been absolutely no effects on Kawai but you know never to believe the media.

    Gotta go...


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    Post  Mongrel on Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:58 pm

    Surf's up. Hope that Maui Wowie crop's not hit too hard.
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    Post  Horseballs on Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:36 am

    Lorenzzo wrote:I'm going to post this in the DUI thread because with storm conditions the way they are it's difficult to type.  In fact it's fortunate I can type one-handed because I am hanging on to a palm tree with the other hand while the wind blows me sideways.

    I don't know how much longer I can do this before I become prey to this horrid cyclone. My beloved gf was blown out to sea.  You may hear there have been absolutely no effects on Kawai but you know never to believe the media.

    Gotta go...


    Still one-arming that palm tree? Reminds me of the media-induced panic from rainstorm Katrina.
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    Post  Mongrel on Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:02 am

    And de negligent N.O. mayor of the time, Ray Noggin, he be gone to be doin' hardtime.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:36 am

    Horseballs wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:I'm going to post this in the DUI thread because with storm conditions the way they are it's difficult to type.  In fact it's fortunate I can type one-handed because I am hanging on to a palm tree with the other hand while the wind blows me sideways.

    I don't know how much longer I can do this before I become prey to this horrid cyclone. My beloved gf was blown out to sea.  You may hear there have been absolutely no effects on Kawai but you know never to believe the media.

    Gotta go...


    Still one-arming that palm tree?  Reminds me of the media-induced panic from rainstorm Katrina.  
    Tried to upload a photo I took while one arming the tree. No go.

    Hawaii is destroyed.  As luck would have it the winds carried me back to San Diego from where last night I caught a flight home.  

    I haven't caught up on events. Did Tiger win the PGA?
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    Post  Mongrel on Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:35 am

    No but the Colombian Cartel is mourning the loss of one of its best customers. Robin Williams died by self-inflicted hanging. He was 63. Nanoose Nanoose.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:46 am

    Mongrel wrote:No but the Colombian Cartel is mourning the loss of one of its best customers. Robin Williams died by self-inflicted hanging. He was 63. Nanoose Nanoose.
    I can barely relate to being depressed at all. The idea of that someone can take the life over it is bizarre to me.

    My theory relates to his not being funny. He must have realized he wasn't funny when watching tape of himself trying to be funny and at some point it was just too much.

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