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    How Much to Tip.... (not the caddie)

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    Post  Pky6471 Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:53 pm

    Say U play at the decent golf course (green fees $50-$100) , how much to tip those who put bag on a cart and probably clean your clubs afterward ?
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    Post  Horseballs Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:24 pm

    Pky6471 wrote:Say U play at the decent golf course (green fees $50-$100) , how much to tip those who put bag on a cart and probably clean your clubs afterward ?
    $5 per bag. If you don't have change, don't ask for change, just give the guy a $20.
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    Post  FamousDavis Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:11 pm

    That doesn't make sense. Why should someone earn $5 for spending 2 to 3 minutes for cleaning your clubs with a wet rag? $20 is crazy. The value they provide is not worth that kind of money. Now, if the kid is exceptionally friendly, courteous and does a great job I might give him $5. Usually I will give a club cleaner something like $2 to $3.

    Parking attendants don't usually get $5 when they return your car for you. Usually it's $2.
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    Post  Mongrel Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:30 pm

    I always secure my bag to the car myself and always thank the guy who offers to clean my clubs but decline the service. I have not played at a private club for some years but if I did, I would expect to tip the black guys who I would let clean my clubs and maybe shine my shoes. As for the public courses, the guys are government employees so if they want a tip from me, I offer them "plastics". Many of you are too young to get that film reference.
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    Post  jmtbkr Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:50 am

    Mr. McGuire: I just want to say one word to you. Just one word.

    Benjamin: Yes, sir.

    Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?

    Benjamin: Yes, I am.

    Mr. McGuire: Plastics.

    Benjamin: Exactly how do you mean?

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    Post  Mongrel Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:51 am

    Now there you go.
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    Post  Poe4soul Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:37 am

    FamousDavis wrote:That doesn't make sense.  Why should someone earn $5 for spending 2 to 3 minutes for cleaning your clubs with a wet rag?   $20 is crazy.  The value they provide is not worth that kind of money.  Now, if the kid is exceptionally friendly, courteous and does a great job I might give him $5.   Usually I will give a club cleaner something like $2 to $3.  

    Parking attendants don't usually get $5 when they return your car for you.  Usually it's $2.  

    Funny thing, my clubs are more clean than the dirty rag they usually use. I don't ride in a cart, I walk. I'm left handed and most of them look retarded trying to clean my clubs plus they are clean within 30 seconds after hitting a ball, or at the lease on the walk from green to tee. So, the whole relationship makes no sense to me. It's like paying a valet after I park my own car.
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    Post  Horseballs Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:06 pm

    What's an extra few dollars? I don't feel any more/less financial pain by making some kid's day. I have a roll of small bills that I keep in my locker. I make sure to take decent care of the bag room guys every time and the locker room attendant maybe half a dozen times per year. Costs me a whole extra $100 for the year and my clubs are always ready to go when I'm playing and my name is on the tee sheet, or at the bag drop when they see me pull up in non-golf clothes. My shoes are always cleaned up too.
    I also tip my caddies more than their class demands. The caddy master makes sure I have an A caddy or honor caddy whenever I'm playing. Good service gets rewarded and good service is expected when rewarded consistently.
    Now if I'm playing some sh!thole muni and a 40 year old burnout is working for tips cleaning clubs with a dirty towel, he gets $3.
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    Post  FamousDavis Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:41 pm

    Well, you could say that about anything, HB. What's a few extra dollars? My point is that you should get what you are paying for. Sure, I might make some kid's day by giving him $5 for spending 1 minute cleaning my clubs (but not the grooves). However, I don't find value in that. I would rather the golf course lower their green fee so that it's more affordable and get rid of the kid standing there waiting to clean clubs. I don't need my clubs cleaned and don't want to have some phony conversation with the kid as he asked me how my round was. To be frank I find it very annoying because the tip is inherently expected. I don't want to say "I don't need my clubs cleaned" nor do I want to leave the dude without a tip. So it leaves a sour taste in my mouth right after I've finished a nice round of golf at a nice club.

    Our society has a strange thing about tipping. It's expected at restaurants, airports and hotels yet the McDonalds kid who is working harder than any of the latter gets nothing. Tipping is a topic to brag about as well. I hear people all the time brag about how much they tip. "Oh, I always tip 20% and then 30% if it's good service". Then you are stupid. You are throwing away your money to a waiter who is doing what he's supposed to do. I tip about 15% and will only tip 10% if the service is mediocre. I have, on occassion, tipped 5% if the waiter is horrible or rude.

    It's a custom that everyone accepts but nobody questions. Kind of taboo to question it. Just like now.
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    Post  Horseballs Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:03 pm

    This really isn't anything I want to get into a big windup over, because frankly, I don't care one way or the other. But, you could look at it another way as well. Just mentally build in the tips to the cost of the round. Then you won't feel weird about it.
    There really isn't anything you can do about our culture of tipping, and making a stance against tipping (or being a bad tipper) causes you stress and is socially unacceptable. So your options are a) tip appropriately and have a nice little chat with the service people, or b) don't tip and stress out in situations that normally require a tip.
    I guess c) would be not to tip and not stress out, but that is just being an a-hole and I don't get the impression you fall in that category.
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    Post  Mongrel Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:11 pm

    FD, I agree with you. However, in HB's case, he tips the boys at his private club. This is totally different from daily fee courses both munical and privately owned. In your club, you have a home away from home and frequently the help is more like family than just the establishment's employees. In fact, the clubs I belonged to were first established back here in Baltimore in the late 1800's and most of the help on the course, in the pro shop, and various grilles and dining rooms was (and I assume still is) African American. A lot of these folks had worked at the clubs their entire working lives and the feeling was more like the classic 18th and 19th century southern plantation than a modern business. Many of these people provided service well beyond what you'd find out in the daily fee world and would come to know your most minute preferences whether it be how you liked your martini to how you liked your black wingtips shined and how much starch in your white button downs. And if you used club caddies, you might have a relationship like a pro in which the caddie would learn your game and how you think on the course and save you multiple shots per round by saving you from yourself when it comes to club selection, whether to go for it or lay up, how Leroy cut the back nine greens this morning et cetera. A good bartender might let you know that Member X's wife would like to do you next to the 10th green Friday night and other intimate stuff that could only come from trusted friends and associates. Some caddies were able to procure substances not available at retail, if you catch my drift. To give these people gratuities and fat envelopes at Christmas time would often provide much more than it cost you.
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    Post  jmtbkr Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:56 pm

    I disagree with all of you.
    I always tip the kid who cleans the clubs. I think it's a nice thing it gets done. Then the car doesn't stink like grass after the round. Wait....that's not what I mean. I'll gladly tip $5. I was there, back in the day when a fin tip meant something. I caddies, cleaned members' (wait....not again...) clubs and put them in their car. Used to make $25 a weekend. Now that was alot of moola!!
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    Post  Pky6471 Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:07 pm

    "Tipping" or "pourboire in French" is a debatable subject. I tip 12-15% at the restaurant. When I go for a hair cut, I tip 50% minimum because they spend the entire 100% of their time with my hair and to make me look better. In China they don't accept tip because "they are proud of their job....".

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