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    The Witch is Dead

    Post  Mongrel on Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:18 pm

    "Journalist" Helen Thomas died this morning in her Washington, D.C. kennel. She was 92. Good riddance.
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    Post  trombettista_vecchio on Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:17 am

    At a time when the very act of newsgathering is under siege, it is more important than ever to remember Helen Thomas and what she stood for — that no matter who is in power, the principles of watchdog journalism are born of patriotism, and they are always worth fighting for.--Katrina vanden Heuvel
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    Post  FamousDavis on Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:47 am

    I'm at jury duty right now. I can't believe the orientation. Why do I need people to explain why I'm here? I get it. Also, don't people read their jury affidavit before showing up? 20% of the people got up to report to the back of the room when they found out they don't qualify or have an excuse? Now I know why so many voted for Obama. Nobody can think for themselves anymore. They need to be guided.

    Who is this Helen person?
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    Post  trombettista_vecchio on Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:52 am

    I was last on Jury duty in 2006.  Better you than me, FD.

    BTW, I voted for Obama twice. Not in the Democratic Primaries, though. He's way too conservative for me.
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    Post  Mongrel on Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:54 am

    trombettista_vecchio wrote:At a time when the very act of newsgathering is under siege, it is more important than ever to remember Helen Thomas and what she stood for — that no matter who is in power, the principles of watchdog journalism are born of patriotism, and they are always worth fighting for.--Katrina vanden Heuvel

    Helen Thomas' patriotism is not questioned. The question is, which country? Certainly not the U.S.A.
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    Post  trombettista_vecchio on Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:09 pm

    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. --Samuel Johnson
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:20 pm

    The problem with juries is those of above average intelligence routinely get out of jury duty without even having to show.  That leaves service to short cords.

    Helen Thomas was an Arab and shill for Palestinians.  She admitted to not being a credible journalist but rather someone who routinely compromised her own integrity for the sake of defending her Arab people.  She barely masqueraded as a journalist.  She fooled nobody but American politicos will partner with anyone who might advance their interests.  After 9-11 she became deservedly disgraced and irrelevant.  

    Her passing is meaningless.


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    Post  Mongrel on Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:24 pm

    Samuel Johnson has been dead about 230 years. He was right when he wrote it since it pertained to his native country. I was a journalist in a previous life and had the distinct experience to meet Helen Thomas and observe her interactions with peers. She was the nastiest human being I have ever seen operate in person. Why she wasn't terminated with extreme prejudice decades ago is beyond me. Nixon should have burned the tapes, too.
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    Post  trombettista_vecchio on Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:30 pm

    I love puppies, kittens, and a tray of good, homemade lasagna.

    Loving a country just isn't intuitive to me.  To each his own.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:35 pm

    trombettista_vecchio wrote:I love puppies, kittens, and a tray of good, homemade lasagna.

    Loving a country just isn't intuitive to me.  To each his own.

    I can't find decent Ricotta here in Utah. So the last tray I made had Mozzarella and Romano but no Ricotta. It was actually really good, I added a few things to compensate. Ground sausage works well for that as does increasing the sauce.
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    Post  trombettista_vecchio on Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:40 pm

    Lorenzzo wrote:
    I can't find decent Ricotta here in Utah.  So the last tray I made had Mozzarella and Romano but no Ricotta.  It was actually really good, I added a few things to compensate.  Ground sausage works well for that as does increasing the sauce.

    Ricotta is not a problem in the northeast, of course, but I will nonetheless save this tip for an emergency. Grazie.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:52 pm

    trombettista_vecchio wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:
    I can't find decent Ricotta here in Utah.  So the last tray I made had Mozzarella and Romano but no Ricotta.  It was actually really good, I added a few things to compensate.  Ground sausage works well for that as does increasing the sauce.

    Ricotta is not a problem in the northeast, of course, but I will nonetheless save this tip for an emergency. Grazie.

    My Italian relatives were horrified when they learned I moved to a non metro. So they keep sending me 3 kg cans of Luigi Vitelli peeled tomatoes for sauce and wheels of cheese. I simply can't use all the cheese, it's not great food for me so I end up freezing most of it for lasagna and other occasional pasta dishes.
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    Post  FamousDavis on Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:49 pm

    Lorenzzo wrote:The problem with juries is those of above average intelligence routinely get out of jury duty without even having to show.  That leaves service to short cords.

    Helen Thomas was an Arab and shill for Palestinians.  She admitted to not being a credible journalist but rather someone who routinely compromised her own integrity for the sake of defending her Arab people.  She barely masqueraded as a journalist.  She fooled nobody but American politicos will partner with anyone who might advance their interests.  After 9-11 she became deservedly disgraced and irrelevant.  

    Her passing is meaningless.

    It takes no intelligence to get out of jury duty. All it takes is a lack of character and ability to lie with no remorse. The fact that someone would think themselves smart for avoiding jury duty is laughable.

    I go because if I ever needed a jury I would hope that intelligent and honest people like me would be serving on the jury.
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    Post  jt1135 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:30 pm

    FamousDavis wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:The problem with juries is those of above average intelligence routinely get out of jury duty without even having to show.  That leaves service to short cords.

    Helen Thomas was an Arab and shill for Palestinians.  She admitted to not being a credible journalist but rather someone who routinely compromised her own integrity for the sake of defending her Arab people.  She barely masqueraded as a journalist.  She fooled nobody but American politicos will partner with anyone who might advance their interests.  After 9-11 she became deservedly disgraced and irrelevant.  

    Her passing is meaningless.

    It takes no intelligence to get out of jury duty.  All it takes is a lack of character and ability to lie with no remorse.  The fact that someone would think themselves smart for avoiding jury duty is laughable.  

    I go because if I ever needed a jury I would hope that intelligent and honest people like me would be serving on the jury.  

    All you have to say is "If you ain't white you ain't right". Told my boss that when he went for fed jury duty but he pussed out.
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    Post  Horseballs on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:13 am

    FamousDavis wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:The problem with juries is those of above average intelligence routinely get out of jury duty without even having to show.  That leaves service to short cords.

    Helen Thomas was an Arab and shill for Palestinians.  She admitted to not being a credible journalist but rather someone who routinely compromised her own integrity for the sake of defending her Arab people.  She barely masqueraded as a journalist.  She fooled nobody but American politicos will partner with anyone who might advance their interests.  After 9-11 she became deservedly disgraced and irrelevant.  

    Her passing is meaningless.

    It takes no intelligence to get out of jury duty.  All it takes is a lack of character and ability to lie with no remorse.  The fact that someone would think themselves smart for avoiding jury duty is laughable.  

    I go because if I ever needed a jury I would hope that intelligent and honest people like me would be serving on the jury.  
    I have been selected 3 times but never once went to court. I wrote a letter each time and was excused. Jury duty is for suckers. I'm not saying I'm smart or anything like that, but it certainly isn't stupid to avoid a couple of unpaid weeks being around criminals and people who lacked the ability to avoid jury duty.
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    Post  FamousDavis on Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:33 am

    Horseballs wrote:
    FamousDavis wrote:
    Lorenzzo wrote:The problem with juries is those of above average intelligence routinely get out of jury duty without even having to show.  That leaves service to short cords.

    Helen Thomas was an Arab and shill for Palestinians.  She admitted to not being a credible journalist but rather someone who routinely compromised her own integrity for the sake of defending her Arab people.  She barely masqueraded as a journalist.  She fooled nobody but American politicos will partner with anyone who might advance their interests.  After 9-11 she became deservedly disgraced and irrelevant.  

    Her passing is meaningless.

    It takes no intelligence to get out of jury duty.  All it takes is a lack of character and ability to lie with no remorse.  The fact that someone would think themselves smart for avoiding jury duty is laughable.  

    I go because if I ever needed a jury I would hope that intelligent and honest people like me would be serving on the jury.  
    I have been selected 3 times but never once went to court.  I wrote a letter each time and was excused.  Jury duty is for suckers.  I'm not saying I'm smart or anything like that, but it certainly isn't stupid to avoid a couple of unpaid weeks being around criminals and people who lacked the ability to avoid jury duty.  

    Over the last 20 years I think I've been selected two or three times. The first two times I had a legitimate reason for not going as I was the sole bread winner, had young kids and my company didn't pay for jury duty days off. This time, however, was different. I had no legitimate reason not to go. Sure, I could have rationalized and lied to the courts about why I couldn't attend. But, then, I'd have to live with the fact that I lied and sleazed my way out of something that usually takes no more than one day.

    I guess it all comes down to how comfortable you feel about lying and being self absorbed. Personally, I feel better about myself when I don't try to screw the system and instead make a contribution.

    I'm not judging here at all. I'm sure you guys give back to society in some way.
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    Post  Horseballs on Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:07 pm

    I own a business and draw my salary from whatever I bill. I am also bound by deadlines both self imposed and client imposed.
    I am sure that jury duty is a great source of civic pride, but it is sadly beneath me. I'd rather some hourly dude get paid time to sit on a jury and have a break from his miserable job, than to lose out on thousands of dollars and break commitments to my sources of income. There should be a pool of professional jurors who draw a salary. That's got to be cheaper than a bunch of regular people having to take time off work. Plus, the majority of regular people are far too stupid to make decisions on court cases. Especially the ones who can't figure out how to get out of jury duty.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:29 pm

    Horseballs wrote:I own a business and draw my salary from whatever I bill.  I am also bound by deadlines both self imposed and client imposed.  
    I am sure that jury duty is a great source of civic pride, but it is sadly beneath me.  I'd rather some hourly dude get paid time to sit on a jury and have a break from his miserable job, than to lose out on thousands of dollars and break commitments to my sources of income.  There should be a pool of professional jurors who draw a salary.  That's got to be cheaper than a bunch of regular people having to take time off work.  Plus, the majority of regular people are far too stupid to make decisions on court cases.  Especially the ones who can't figure out how to get out of jury duty.  

    Yeah, jury duty is for suckers and unproductive people whose time isn't valuable. They usually are out to waste their employer's time and probably show a pattern of doing that and of being unproductive. If one of my key people couldn't figure out how to get out of it, I'd fire them as they'd miserably failed a simple test of productivity and intelligence.

    There's a reason successful, intelligent people like you avoid it. It's just good societal economics to have those whose time is least valuable participate on a jury. Congratulations on having a successful life.
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    Post  trombettista_vecchio on Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:26 pm

    There nothing wrong with avoiding jury duty if one is adamantly opposed to serving.

    But at the very least, one must then admit to being a useless prick with no value to his fellow citizens whatsoever. It's at least as bad as not voting.

    Failing to make the admission is the true character flaw.

    It's an easy admission to make.

    Very few people are not useless masses of protoplasm anyway. Unfortunately, those of us on golf forums are amomg the worst offenders when it comes to overvalueing ourselves.

    As a union worker, I contractually got paid for jury duty, of course, and always thought of it as a little break.

    It's somewhat of a pain in the ass in Massachusetts, but in New Hampshire, jurors are treated fairly well.

    I have never voted for conviction in a criminal case, however. I've had one acquittal and two hung juries on the criminal cases for which I was actually seated.

    I tend to favor big bucks for the plaintiff in civil trials if they're against businesses, though, largely because as a near-communist, I hate business. However, defense councel usually senses this in jury selection and I get sent packing.
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    Post  Horseballs on Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:21 pm

    I have no real opposition to jury duty, but I am far too important to perform that type of service. Seems like something for the more worthless non-tax paying people. Hell, just round up the welfare people or homeless and put them on jury duty. They aren't doing anything anyhow.
    Actually, this is a pretty brilliant idea. I'm going to call my congressman. Sure, it's going to be tough to get any convictions when welfare abusers and homeless people are judging welfare abusers and homeless people, but you are supposed to be tried by jury of your peers.
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    Post  FamousDavis on Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:33 pm

    Horseballs wrote:I have no real opposition to jury duty, but I am far too important to perform that type of service.  Seems like something for the more worthless non-tax paying people.  Hell, just round up the welfare people or homeless and put them on jury duty.  They aren't doing anything anyhow.  
    Actually, this is a pretty brilliant idea.  I'm going to call my congressman.  Sure, it's going to be tough to get any convictions when welfare abusers and homeless people are judging welfare abusers and homeless people, but you are supposed to be tried by jury of your peers.  

    I used to feel that way too until I realized that the average citizen needs someone like me as a benchmark for perfection. They need to see me walk into the jury selection room and realize that, with a great deal of hard work, schooling and classes in etiquette, they too can reach the pinnacle of human accomplishment.
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    Post  Lorenzzo on Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:53 pm

    Horseballs wrote:I have no real opposition to jury duty, but I am far too important to perform that type of service.  Seems like something for the more worthless non-tax paying people.  Hell, just round up the welfare people or homeless and put them on jury duty.  They aren't doing anything anyhow.  
    Actually, this is a pretty brilliant idea.  I'm going to call my congressman.  Sure, it's going to be tough to get any convictions when welfare abusers and homeless people are judging welfare abusers and homeless people, but you are supposed to be tried by jury of your peers.  

    By the way, thank you for your contribution in the form of income taxes. People like you support the US and all the losers who end up serving on juries. I imagine you feel proud your contribution to your country isn't limited to empty, symbolic gestures best made by the unemployed, homeless and those who need to prop up their self worth.

    You do the heavy lifting by paying more income tax than losers on juries. I'm not actually opposed to jury service or voting but I would fire anyone working for me who wasted time on either.
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    Post  FamousDavis on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:05 pm

    I don't know if I'd fire my gardener for attending Jury Duty. As long as he came back and cut my grass that night I think I'd let it slide.

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    Post  Mongrel on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:47 pm

    Of course you would not pay him if he didn't show up. What could be more fair than that?
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    Post  trombettista_vecchio on Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:21 pm

    Lorenzzo wrote:  I'm not actually opposed to jury service or voting but I would fire anyone working for me who wasted time on either.

    This is the real question, L:

    Is it a good or bad thing that you went west before coming up a floater in the Mystic?

    I've literally seen people cut from throat to balls for being half as annoying as you. Seriously.

    But you're certainly not alone in these environs. Not at all. You sometimes struggle just to be the standard bearer.

    Does anybody on this forum justify the oxygen that he breathes?
    It's not my place to assign myself a value, of course, but I sure as hell don't see anybody else who'd qualify!

    I'm confident that nobody here will take offense. Provided he's smart enough, everyone here is more than old enough to have figured out what he is by now.

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